Sunday, June 8, 2008

UK's Only Gypsy Magistrate Sacked For Criticising The Police

I would like to thank Robert Verkaik of the Independent newspaper for kindly writing this article.
If you read this and the article underneath about another Magistrate who to my mind quite rightly spoke out against the Police, then you must draw your own conclusions as to why this gentleman was not sacked, but I was
Kushti baxt
Pesha
Anyone who did not see the original posting on this matter please scroll down a little, the post on the balance of the scales of justice gives far more detail.

Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police
By Robert VerkaikSunday, 8 June 2008

Jack Straw was at the centre of a political row last night after he sacked a magistrate who criticised the police for failing to protect her daughter from being physically assaulted at school.
Mr Straw, the Secretary of State for Justice, has written to the magistrate saying that while he understands a mother's desire to help her daughter, her criticism of the police means she can no longer be trusted to be impartial in court.
"We have concluded that although you acted with the best interests of your daughter, your behaviour has led to your impartiality being brought into question," Mr Straw said in the letter. "It is clear that by mentioning you were a magistrate and then criticising the police, the two issues became linked and therefore there is doubt whether you would be able to consider matters involving the police impartially."
Shay Clipson, 50, a magistrate from Grimsby, Humberside, believed to be the only Romany magistrate on the bench in England and Wales, had asked police to help protect her 13-year-old daughter from a gang that had been bullying her in and out of school.
She claims her daughter had been subjected to beatings, racially abused, spat on, had cigarettes stubbed out in her hair, and had been thrown into the traffic on a very busy road.
The news comes a week after it emerged that the family of 15-year-old Arsema Dawit had complained to the police that she was being harassed shortly before she was stabbed to death in a London council block.
Ms Clipson said: "On 20 September 2007, my daughter had been told by a key member of this gang that she was going to be subject to a beating, possibly during the lunch break, failing that definitely on her way home. Neither the headteacher nor the head of year would make themselves available to speak to me. I told the school that in that case I would have to involve the police."
But, she said, the local police made it clear that they would not intervene. When Ms Clipson complained about the officers' alleged inaction, the police reported her behaviour to the local bench committee and then to Mr Straw, who upheld her dismissal.
Police were later forced to investigate when her daughter was badly assaulted by a family member of the same gang. In a separate incident, recorded on mobile phones and uploaded to YouTube, Ms Clipson's daughter was kicked unconscious on the school playingfield.
But Mr Straw, in a joint ruling with the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, found that by raising the fact that she was a member of the local magistracy, Ms Clipson cannot be trusted to do her job.
David Howarth, the Liberal Democrat spokesman on justice, said: "Mr Straw's action is shameful and very heavy-handed ... Why can't a magistrate criticise the police? ... The police should not be able to end the career of a magistrate just because they don't like being criticised."
Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background, yet the police were not doing enough to support her."


Magistrate’s shock at Boro fans’ treatment by police
Apr 30 2008 by Marie Levy, Evening Gazette

TEESSIDE magistrate Mick Dobson today told of his shock at seeing innocent fans intimidated by police at the Wear-Tees derby.
The Sunderland fan has vowed never to attend another derby match after witnessing what he describes as police provoking trouble from the minute fans stepped off the train.
Mr Dobson, who works as a scout for Manchester City Football Club, said: “I have been working in professional football for 20 years and I have never seen anything like it.
“I have nothing but scorn for Northumbria Police, so much so that I will not go to another derby match again. I feel nothing but sympathy for the Middlesbrough supporters; they were very harshly treated.”
Mr Dobson, who lives in Norton, got the train to the match with his wife, Maureen and Boro fans Maggie and Len Robinson of Billingham.
He said there was a stark contrast between the way police treated them at Middlesbrough and the hostile reception they got in Sunderland.
“Police at Middlesbrough station put the four of us at the bottom end of the train. They operated really friendly and professionally.
“There were Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Nottingham Forest supporters on the train. The banter was very friendly and there were no incidents

“As we came into Sunderland railway station we saw about 50 police on the platform, many in full riot gear. They opened only one door which meant we had to get off the train one at a time.
“Ten to 20 police ran towards us shouting, screaming and banging their riot gear - it was unbelievable. The police were very intimidating and very aggressive. There were a lot of people getting pushed about who were not even going to the match.
“One old woman was crying her eyes out. She had only gone up for the shopping.”
When questioned an inspector told Mr Dobson it was his job to be intimidating but he soon changed his tone when he was informed that Mr Dobson was a magistrate.
“They escorted us to the exit but all the doors were locked and bolted. If there had been a fire there would have been a lot of casualties,” said Mr Dobson, who also had to wait for over an hour for his friends to be let out of the Stadium of Light after the match.
“The police were provoking a lot of the trouble. To be honest I might not even go back to Sunderland. I’m at an age now where I do not want the hassle.
“I was just really annoyed that people could be treated like this.
“As a magistrate I try to be fair and reasonable and look at both sides, people are always innocent until proven guilty.”
Northumbria Police Superintendent Neil Mackay, head of the force’s operations unit, said: “From the intelligence and evidence we had we were aware that large numbers of risk groups from both sides would be attending the match.
“They arrived at the city centre early and began drinking in public houses and there was some disorder during the match.”
He said most fans were good supporters but there were some groups causing confrontation.
“My officers came under attack from bottles,” he said. “My intention at any game like this is to prevent innocent fans from being injured.
“We did that, but the only way to police a match safely is to take a strong stand with some supporters.”

17 Comments:

Blogger Veshengro said...

In my opinion, but then that is the opinion of a Romani-Gypsy, the fact of the sacking of a Romani magistrate who criticized the police, points to blatant racism and anti-Gypsy-ism on the side of the police services in the UK. Whatever the police, the Home Secretary, and others with to claim, when it comes to Gypsies they see Travellers and the trouble they cause, regardless whether you point out the difference between Romani-Gypsy and others to the police. I, though a member of the so-called "Warden Community", have had police officers refer to other Romani in my presences as "pikies" and such, despite the fact that those officers knew full well me being also a Gypsy, a Rom.

There is institutionalized racism against the Rom in the British police, and that left, right and center.

It is not a thing of the past and, as far as us the Gypsy are concerned it will not ever, I am sure, go away. We only need to look at what is happening in other European Union member states. Let us pray and fight that this is not going to arrive on our shores.

A number of articles to that effect can be found on O NEVO DROM (http://onevodrom.blogspot. com) and I shall aim to keep the reader up to date as to what is happening on that front in Europe and closer to home (as long as people let me know what is happening).

Veshengro

June 8, 2008 at 2:24:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Sissy & Frank Doherty said...

Mr Straw should be ashamed of himself.
Who is going to punish the Police for letting a little girl suffer in this way
The Police are a public body, we the public have an absolute right to criticise them.
In the case of a Magistrate I would even go so far as to say you had a duty to challenge them.
The police officers who dealt wuth this are the ones who should be booted out
we are nearer to a police state than we know
Opre Roma bitti phena

June 8, 2008 at 4:44:00 PM GMT  
Blogger M Woods said...

Since I first heard about this it has given me cause for grave concern.
First of all I agree with the previous poster, a child was allowed to suffer. it does not matter what colour creed or ethnic background that child comes from. It is a sad reflection on our society when adults employed in institutions such as the police and the schools can sit back and do nothing to aid that child

The law of land belongs to each and everyone of us and we are all expected to abide by it and expect to be protected by it. It is not for the police to decide if and when they will act or protect. If a crime is being committed against a person especially a child they are duty bound to step in.

You did only what any parent would do to ensure action was taken to protect your daughter, you had aevery right to complain, and they had no right to retribution for that complaint.

It is beyond comrehension that they thought they should or even could make this complaint against you.

I agree that the police were uncomfortable with a magistrate that was not afeared to stand her ground with them

Pesha, they seem to be nothing more than bullies themselves.

When that complaint was recieved by the Magistrates bench and your side was heard I believe that not only should it have been thrown out, but the powers that be should have made complaint against those officers

The Justice system does not belong to the police and neither do the courts but this time they have been rewarded in the most distasteful way

Jack Straw your a disgrace of a man.
The old boys network was obviously at play here, and when it moved out of the local loop you should have put a stop to this

It is your position and your rationality and discretion that should be at question

June 8, 2008 at 5:42:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Krissy said...

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June 8, 2008 at 6:03:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have read and re-read Jack Straws comments, and they just don't add up.
If a Magistrate cannot criticise the police, how then does a bench remain impartial?
The very fact that the police appear to be beyond critisism or reproach from the bench stinks of impartiality in favour of the police
What is happening to our justice system?
What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?
It seems to me that it's more a case innocent until you stand accussed.
How many cases have come to light about Police corruption and instances of people being blatantly fitted up.
We need our Judiciary to be mindful and watchful for signs of this
The Police complaining about Shay in this way is a message loud and clear
"we don't want her in our gang"
Jack Straw do your job, don't let UK become a police state
Shay, well done for making this public, I think you were expected to skulk away cowed and with your tail between you legs
They just don't know you at all, the one thing you ALWAYS fight for is justice and fair play
Don't let them take your eye off the ball, you were fighting for your child, but ultimately every child who is a victim and is denied justice
It is not the job of the police to control the courts their job is to deliver cases the Crown Prosecution after that they are the same as everyone else
they must not interfere with the course of justice
Helen x

June 8, 2008 at 7:03:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to add to my previous post.
It is the Crown that brings a case into Court, it is Regina-v-whoever.
Once a case is delivered to the Court the police are no more than witnesses or information gatherers.
They have no more importance and should have no more creedance than any other witness
In any contested case there will parties who are not telling the truth. And this goes both ways I hate to burst the bubble Mr Straw but the police do not always tell the truth
crime statistics and the pressure to have good performance records can have a bearing and incentive

June 8, 2008 at 7:24:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well nothing surprise me you never got a gorga and we will contuine to be in the wrong as for a moscrow you never got them i think history will repeat it self we are in for a touth ride

June 8, 2008 at 10:33:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Krissy said...

Pesha I have another question to ask you;
mullemengro ............ why or wherefore did the word mullmengro come to be associated to doctors in this present world according to us???
what is the story on it ???why did it start???
it seems to me that the thing with the police and your daughter that police out to be made out under these mullemengro dead men makers too as they are making dead men out of all of us by their dead hearts.

Love Krissy


Put a *Do Not Disturb * sign over the forrest
Hang an *Out of Order* sign over the White House door
Proceed with caution
Yield to your conscience
Handle the whole world with care

Colleen Redman 2004

June 9, 2008 at 12:15:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Krissy said...

I can't help it; this bothers me so very much~~~ I have something more to say; we must take back the night from those who would have the world lay in darkness again. Pesha only stood up for light and love and what was right! What was it that she had done or her daughter that was so very wrong????
In another time and place the borsia stick would have been contacted and justice metered out

June 9, 2008 at 12:29:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Shay,

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

I am sure you were the only Romany magistrate.

Tomorrow I will bring this up at the Gypsy Council, we are having a meeting at Dale Farm in Basildon, I am sure the others will be as discussed as I am at your treatment.

We need more role models from our community not a systematic knocking down of anyone that tries to do some thing good for the community.

It is unfortunate that Jack Straw should have taken this view, but lets not forget that it was Jack Straw who in 1999 sparked a controversy when in a interview Mr Straw told BBC Radio West Midlands:

"Many of these so-called travellers seem to think that it is perfectly OK for them to cause mayhem in an area, to go burgling, thieving, breaking into vehicles, causing all kinds of trouble, including defecating in the doorways of firms and so on, and getting away with it.



"Travellers have traded on the sentiment, they've masqueraded as law-abiding gypies, when many of them are not".

Jack Straw doesn't seem to like Gypies much!

He should have supported you because you were trying to do the best for your child, just like people supported him when he did the best for this child who was named in a a Cannabis case in 1998, although obviously the comparison stops there.

Best regards

Joseph G. Jones

Gypsy Council (Commissioner and Secretary)

Southern England Romany Gypsy & Irish Traveller Network (Vice Chairman)

Thames Valley Gypsy Association (Chairman)

International Alliance of Inhabitants (UK Representative)

http://www.gypsy-association.com/

June 9, 2008 at 1:01:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shay-Pesha
My sympathy goes out to you and your daughter. Your children are the wrong eithnic minority to be able to expect any help from the law
Gypsies are the only minority left that can be abused and bad mouthed by society and it seems to be perfectly acceptable
It's a shame indeed. I think Jack Straw has made a decision partly based on his own predjudices.
How can we have a minister of justice who hold racist veiws.
Jane Jackson
Bristol

June 9, 2008 at 5:08:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Abraham Tommy Price said...

Shay pena
you should go to the queen with all of this cause the court belong to the crown thats why it is named the crown court when she asked gordon brown to form a govenment I bey she never had it in mind he would the likes of Jack Straw chucking out her magistrates like this
I looked on the internet at the oath took by the magistrates nowhere do it say you cant critersize the police it do say this
I swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second, in the office of Justice of the Peace and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of the Realm without fear or favour, affection or ill will.

I copied that off the internet
you are not guilty of breaking the oath you made to her

now here is the police oath
"I [SAY YOUR NAME] do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the Office of Constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to the law."

What they done to you and your dawter drives a bus through that
so why was not they sacked then


I wish you well but I am not surprised they got shot of you and we all speak out against this

June 9, 2008 at 8:28:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is wrong here the Police should expect to have some negative feedback and they should take it on the chin. I have to in my job they seem to have been acting out of spite and it could be they just were not going to be told how to do their job
you were a trouble to them not prepared to put up with their crap and not going to let them get away with not doing the job we pay them to do
complain
shout it off the rooftops
but do not ever give up
I am not a Romany but I know that you are all treated badly and it has to stop

June 9, 2008 at 9:25:00 PM GMT  
Blogger streona said...

The police are a gang of overpaid thugs. People need protection from them, not by them. Wait until they get tasars.

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