Saturday, September 6, 2008

Secret Plan To Seize Over A Hundred Gypsy Children in UK

The Article below by Gratton Puxton reveals a shocking and sinister plan..who could ever imagine this mind-think could be possible in a modern day Britain.
These tactics have been used in the past, Gratton was himself involved in an eviction in the 1960's when children were removed, he, himself lost his effect ..he lost his home.

(Pictures of Dale Farm)

Secret plan to seize over a hundred Gypsy children

By Grattan Puxon, Dale Farm

A whistle-blower has revealed the existence of secret plans to seize more than a hundred Gypsy children from the besieged Dale Farm Travellers' community and take them into temporary care.

If a judge gives the go-ahead, the children will be taken by force from their parents as part of the biggest anti-Gypsy operation ever mounted in Britain.

Basildon District Council has set aside five million euro to bulldoze Dale Farm and drive over a thousand so-called illegal Gypsies and Travellers from the area. It has already demolished a dozen Gypsy properties at nearby Hovefields.

According to details obtained by Ustiben, Essex County Council welfare officers would enter Dale Farm village in a fleet of coaches and mini-buses, accompanied by bailiffs and police, some in riot gear.

The media will be told the removal of infants and youngsters, among them some seventy primary-school children, along with the elderly and vulnerable, is for their own safety.They will be detained at a holding centre some miles from Dale Farm.

Officials anticipate that within hours frantic parents will call to demand their children back. According to instructions, they are to be released providing families agree immediately to leave the county under polic escort.

Heavy vehicles, including JCBs, earth-movers and lowloaders will be employed for at least a week raising the village. Its five tarmacked streets, lined by fenced and walled yards, comprise 132 chalets, mobile-homes and caravans, as well as the new Saint Christopher' s community centre and chapel.

Saint Christopher' s is named after a school built by Travellers in Ireland 45 years ago and burned down by Dublin Corporation. It's the headquarters of the Dale Farm Chaveys Youth Club, formed this summer with the help of the Essex Racial Equality Council.

The Gypsy Council is meeting in the centre on Tuesday (9 Sept) to discuss the threat. It has asked for and obtained a confrontation with top Essex officials at County Hall, Chelmsford, which is expected to take place later in the week.

Gypsy Council president Richard Sheridan, chair of the Dale Farm Housing Association, views the county council plan as an abuse of welfare legislation.

"This is county council collusion with Basildon's policy of ethnic-cleansing, " commented Sheridan, who is attending the Roma Summit in Brussels later this month. "They want to crush our homes and take away our children."

Gypsy Council secretary Joseph G.Jones, recently appointed a technical expert to the UN Advisory Committee on Forced Evictions, has submitted a report on the situation for the UN body, which met last week in Nairobi.

The issue as to whether Basildon can destroy Dale Farm, located in a greenbelt zone and lacking planning consent, without alternative accommodation being provided for the 90 families, is to be decided in the Court of Appeal on 5 December.--


Blogger Veshengro said...

While this plan is not nice indeed, to say the least, those are not, however, Gypsy children. They may be Traveller children, as in Irish Traveller, but NOT Gypsy. Dosta. It is time we got away from this calling them Gypsy... They are not Gypsy, as Gypsy should apply to Romani only - at least according to the old original dictionaries.

September 6, 2008 at 10:40:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Angela B said...

Sad though this situation is and regardless of whether the families are Gypsy or Irish Travellers, the law is you cannot develop a site without planning permission. They presumably did it knowing the risks. I cannot put a caravan in my front garden and have myself or visitors stay in it without permission. I do not agree with the council's tactics, which could cause great distress to the children, but the law is the law.

I am not a Gypsy or Traveller and if I were to buy a piece of land and build without permission, eventually the bulldozers would move in and people would say I was the fool. Here, a children's wooden tree house was forcibly demolished by the council.

September 7, 2008 at 11:55:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Veshengro said...

I can but agree with you there Angela B. and it is a sad fact that many of the Travelling community, whether of my People, the Romani, or the Irish, etc., have an attitude that they can move onto a piece of land and can develop it and then, as an afterthought, when forced to do so, go for planning consent which, invariably, is going to be turned down. They then come running to organizations such as the Gypsy Union, the Gypsy Councils and such, asking for hep to fight the expulsions, etc.

As you say, the law is the law... and that is something that I have tried to get into the People so often, via talks as well as via articles, Still, however, especially aided and abetted by politicos such as the ones playing around there at Dale Farm, the people think that they can do this and that they should have a right to do so.

The truth is that, should anyone from the governments even go as far as suggesting that Gypsies should have the right to be able to set something up without need for consent then I can see the resentment from the non-Gypsy and non-Traveller population against us getting bigger still.

Again, my 2cents...

September 7, 2008 at 12:16:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Pesha said...

In response to the 3 posts above.

Firstly in regard to the comment “The law is the law”, I absolutely agree, but the point that is being missed here is that “the law” is not even handed. If Joe average applies for planning permission then provided his building meets building standards and provided that there are no “valid” objections to his project, planning permission will be granted. I have emphasised the word “valid” for good reason. Neighbours or prospective neighbours cannot object simply because they do not want Joe average living alongside them.
Sadly though in the case of Gypsy and Traveller applications refusal is made not on the grounds of what is being built, but on the grounds of who is going to reside there. It’s called racism, and this sort of bigotry would not be tolerated if it were directed at any other minority group.
Angela, I take on board your simile with the tree house, bureaucracy gone mad for sure. But lets put this into perspective. A tree house, albeit very nice, is a luxury I personally cannot see why any council would take the view that you describe. And I’m sure it was very upsetting for the children whose tree house it was. But I’m not talking of children losing a luxury. The issue here is children having their actual homes bulldozed, and their lives plunged into turmoil.

If Joe average built a tree house or any other construction without planning permission, would his children be taken away until he agreed to leave the County? Of course this would not happen, nobody would dare even think of such a thing. Yet it is a very real consideration and threat for the children who call Dale Farm “home”

Yeshengro/Michael, I am appalled at your comment, I realise that in some circles there is some friction between the various travelling peoples. It is not an argument I intend to get dragged into, nor is it an area I wish to encourage.

I give not a tuppenny know what, about the dynamics. We are talking about human beings - families and children who have a right to stability and a home. To say “these are not Gypsy children” is frankly shameful, what should we do then Michael? Ignore the situation? Throw them to the wolves? Do they matter less than Romani children?. You an I once spent a Sunday afternoon talking about racism, and the holocaust..and now you can post a comment like that.

The fact is that like it or not there are Irish travellers who have done much in the way of campaigning that has brought about improvements to “the Gypsy” people. OH yes there are problems, but comments like yours fan the flames, and to be fair and honest there is good and bad in ALL communities.

The Romani and the Irish Travellers face the same problems, the same prejudices and the same problems in living as we would like to live, and to do so in peace, and in harmony with the settled community.
Romani or Irish we share a common bond, and instead of “in fighting” we should be pulling together

Michael you told me you had a military background. It is a well known fact that the best way to defeat an army is to split its defences. We may well be more than one “race”, but we are. Or should be fighting on the same side.

Rightly or wrongly in the eyes of Joe average the Irish travellers and the Romani are all under the umbrella of “Gypsies”, and so long as we all bump along together what’s the problem? What we should all be aiming to do is to work together to promote a positive image and to retain our individual ethnic identities and cultures. This hostility must stop as Pastor Martin Niemöller famously quoted;

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me".

There but for the grace of God Michael …….(St Augustus)

September 8, 2008 at 10:14:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Pesha for the article.

How sad that they are able to get away with it in this day and age!

Raffy Dikranian


September 9, 2008 at 9:04:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Veshengro(or should I say Judas!)
I'm a Romany man, my wife is an Irish Traveller.Our children probably dont have a place in your old original dictionaries but let me tell you they are as precious to us as yours will be to you. And they are Gypsy children
Posting like you did without putting your name on it makes me wonder just who you are and what your true motives are as well.And I'll tell you for why.
I have come acroos you before and you have a web site

on that web site you are allowing people to advertise and you will be taking money for the adverts on the top of the page you have one from Swift Credit Services these people are Bailiffs advertising they can evict Gypsies.
I live in Wales and have had dealings with these bastards
Gypsy union be dammed your nothing but a two faced double dealing wolf in sheeps clothing.
Thomas Price

September 9, 2008 at 9:38:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and I'll tell you something else as well veshengo
if your friends at swift credit services come to evict you they wont do a blood test to see if your a real gypsy or not and they wont care how scared your kids are or about your pregnant wife that they pushed to the ground or your old mother nither
I hope the bread you by with theyer blood money chokes you
Thomas Price

September 9, 2008 at 9:55:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Sissy & Frank Doherty said...

Tom I can't see an ad for bailiffs?

September 9, 2008 at 10:06:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was there maybe its like its on a rota and comes up in its turn but it was there
maybe he have took it off
I would not say it was there otherwise
email me then I have got some news for you
Thomas Price

September 9, 2008 at 10:30:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Veshengro said...

@Thomas Price

Maybe, before jumping to conclusions about me/us taking money for ads on the Gypsy Union website please note that (1) we get not a penny for them and (2) we have no control of the ads on Tripod sites either.

However, neither can we pay for hosting. I rather use the money for the cause than paying a web sever. So, maybe, you talk to people next time before accusing people in the way you do.

Whether you have taken an Irish Traveller wife is not my concern... my concern is to educate people that Irish Travellers are not Gypsy, they are not, per se, Romani and hence we have nothing in common.

Sorry, Pesha, to use your blog in this way but...

Dosta penauas on this subject from my side here

September 9, 2008 at 12:04:00 PM GMT  
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September 16, 2008 at 1:19:00 PM GMT  
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September 16, 2008 at 1:28:00 PM GMT  
Anonymous latimeri said...

Here in northern Europe, home on wheels is not building and no need any permission like to like building. It's moveable, so it mush have place to stay without a permission.

March 10, 2010 at 10:32:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Jimmy Cooper said...

I am a American gypsy born in the USA thank god!!! That is wroung taking kids from there parents!! I agree they should have abide by the laws in the country they live in. But it's not right for british government or who ever is doing this to my people. I'm calling my goverment to do something about this! It's outrages and offinceive! Which or government ha the wroung idea about all gypsys^r^us we are all not the same the way we work! I for instance have a public job! I get aggervatted about by my people but they need to understand our way is dying! Our people need to educate thereselfs and the kids! So if you pass judgement on what you don't understand you will be judged when our good lord comes to call us home! I don't want to get on here and go crazy on you people but it won't do no good! will

December 4, 2010 at 12:48:00 AM GMT  
Anonymous Laura-jane Lee said...

I agree with Vashengro, i'm tired of Travellers calling themselves 'Romany' or Gypsy! My Nan used to call them 'Hedgemumpers' those of you that are 'Romany' will know the meaning lol. Unfortunately there are many ignorant people in this world that will tar us all with the same brush.
This leak to take the children into care maybe a ploy to get them off the site, if they have no sound reason to remove these children it should not be allowed.
Everyone should abide by the planning laws no matter who they are!

January 13, 2011 at 12:56:00 PM GMT  
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